Edge0-145B runs on one 16 GB NVIDIA card, and Brave sells search to AI agents

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Edge0-145B, an open-weight model built from Qwen3.8-Flash-Next, runs on one NVIDIA card with 16 GB of memory, though the Mac build has not shipped. Also from Friday's Hacker News front page: Brave Search taking per-search payments from AI agents over x402, a Coway air purifier cut loose from its cloud, and the Blackwell fingerprint in six Chinese models. Edge0-145B: Frontier AI Capabilities on Your Own Computer https://edge0.ai/blog/introducing-edge0-145b-frontier-ai-capabilities-on-your-own-computer Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50475713 coder543 on the missing Mac runtime: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50477240 Brave Search API now accepts agentic payments via the x402 protocol https://brave.com/blog/search-api-agentic-payments/ Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50477649 ddxv on running x402 on a crawled site: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50479355 Reverse engineering my Coway air purifier to ditch the cloud, by scottjg https://scottjg.com/posts/2026-11-11-reverse-engineering-my-coway-air-purifier-to-ditch-the-cloud/ Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50474959 Aurornis on LLM reverse engineering: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50484284 Chinese frontier AI models carry the fingerprint of export-controlled GPUs, Unemployment Labs https://unemploymentlabs.com/checkpoint-forensics Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50474883 flowerlad on renting GPUs outside China: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50476283 The front page that day: https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2026-11-13

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  1. 0:00Edge0-145B runs on your own GPU
  2. 0:34145 billion parameters in 29 GB
  3. 1:06Mac owners wait
  4. 1:35Brave Search takes x402
  5. 2:12A Coway purifier leaves the cloud
  6. 2:54Blackwell fingerprints
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  1. On Friday's Hacker News front page, Edge0 released Edge0-145B, an open-weight model built from Qwen3.8-Flash-Next to run on your own computer. It has 145 billion parameters, but each token draws on only about 10 billion of them, and on one RTX 5090 it writes about 80 tokens a second, faster than you can read. On agent work in a terminal it edges past its parent model and past Claude Opus 4.6, and it keeps working offline, with no bill per token.

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    Edge0-145B runs on one 16 GB NVIDIA card, and Brave sells search to AI agents

  2. Edge0-145B needs less than half the memory of the model it came from. Each group of 64 experts shares two large matrices, and each expert keeps only a small set of weights of its own, so far less has to be stored and moved. The experts used most stay in graphics memory, the rest wait in system memory, and vocabulary data comes off the SSD when it is needed. That is how a card with 16 gigabytes, plus 20 gigabytes of system memory, runs the whole model.

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    Edge0-145B peaks at 29 GB, under half its parent model’s memory

    Edge0-145B
    29 GB measured peak
    Qwen3.8-Flash-Next
    ~70 GB at 4-bit
    GPU memory
    The experts used most
    System memory
    The rest of the experts
    SSD
    Vocabulary data, read on demand
  3. Edge0 promised macOS on day one. The build that shipped runs on Linux and Windows, with an NVIDIA card and CUDA 13. In the thread, coder543 noticed that the team benchmarked an Apple M2 Ultra and still left the Mac runtime out of the release. That Mac number measures an unreleased build. On a Mac today, the smaller Edge0-35B already runs on Metal.

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    Edge0-145B runs on NVIDIA cards today, and Mac owners wait

    ✓
    Linux
    NVIDIA GPU · CUDA 13
    ✓
    Windows
    NVIDIA GPU · CUDA 13
    ✗
    macOS
    No runtime yet

    “they are specifically not releasing a Mac runtime today”

    — coder543
  4. The Brave Search API now takes payment through x402, an open protocol built on the HTTP status 402, Payment Required. An agent asks for a search, gets back a 402 with the price, signs a payment in USDC on the Base blockchain, and asks again. Each search costs half a cent and carries its own payment, so an agent with a funded wallet needs no Brave account and no API key. In the thread, ddxv wrote that they put x402 on a heavily crawled site and have yet to see a single payment come through.

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    Brave Search lets an AI agent pay per search, with no account

    Agent
    GET a search
    Brave
    402 Payment Required · $0.005
    Agent
    signs USDC on Base, asks again
    Brave
    results and a receipt
    $5 per 1,000 searches no API key Purl Wallet CLI
  5. scottjg wanted a Coway Airmega air purifier on the Good Night button in Apple Home, without Coway's cloud in the middle. During setup, the purifier downloads Amazon's root certificate over plain HTTP, so scottjg swapped in their own certificate and could read every connection it made. An AI agent then worked out the Bluetooth setup from the Android app in about 20 minutes, and a new Home Assistant integration sets the purifier up from a browser and talks to it directly. In the thread, Aurornis says models now carry people through the tedious parts, which is why weak choices like this keep turning up.

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    The Coway Airmega IconS fetches its root certificate over plain HTTP

    GET http://rootca-fs.iocareus.com.s3.ap-northeast-2
        .amazonaws.com/AmazonRootCA1.pem
    Purifier → Coway cloud → Home Assistant
    Purifier → Home Assistant → Apple Home
  6. A model's published weights can reveal which NVIDIA chip created them. PyTorch fills a new model's starting weights from a seeded random generator, split across 2,048 threads for every core on the GPU, so the chip's core count decides where each number lands. Weights for tokens the model never trains on keep those starting values. Matched against them, six models from DeepSeek, Moonshot AI, MiniMax and Ant Group, all released since April, fit Blackwell's core counts, while earlier models from the same labs fit the older Hopper chips. The pattern can't show where the chips were. Blackwell servers can be rented in data centers outside China, and in the thread, flowerlad argues that doing so breaks no current export rule.

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    Six Chinese open-weight models carry the fingerprint of NVIDIA Blackwell chips

    DeepSeek
    V4-Flash · V4-Pro
    Moonshot AI
    Kimi K3 · K3.1-Pro
    MiniMax
    MiniMax-M3
    Ant Group
    Ling-3.1-flash
    Shows
    which chips set the starting weights
    Can’t show
    where the chips were, or who owned them

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